{"id":189,"date":"2023-03-03T17:24:54","date_gmt":"2023-03-04T02:24:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/?p=189"},"modified":"2023-09-19T14:47:35","modified_gmt":"2023-09-19T23:47:35","slug":"episode-5-the-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-cloud-native-security-how-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-k8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-listener-feedback","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/?p=189","title":{"rendered":"Episode 5 &#8211; The on-prem cloud has its moment, Cloud Native Security, How long does it take to spin up a K8 cluster on a cloud provider from scratch? Listener feedback"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2304\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-189-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3\">https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/?powerpress_pinw=189-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3\">Download<\/a> | <a href=\"#\" class=\"powerpress_link_e\" title=\"Embed\" onclick=\"return powerpress_show_embed('189-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Embed<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_embed_box\" id=\"powerpress_embed_189-podcast\" style=\"display: none;\"><input id=\"powerpress_embed_189-podcast_t\" type=\"text\" value=\"&lt;div class=&quot;powerpress_player&quot; id=&quot;powerpress_player_2305&quot;&gt;&lt;audio class=&quot;wp-audio-shortcode&quot; id=&quot;audio-189-2&quot; preload=&quot;none&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; controls=&quot;controls&quot;&gt;&lt;source type=&quot;audio\/mpeg&quot; src=&quot;https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3?_=2&quot; \/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3&quot;&gt;https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/oci-005-The-on-prem-cloud-has-its-moment-Cloud-Native-Security-How-long-does-it-take-to-spin-up-a-K8-cluster-on-a-cloud-provider-from-scratch-Listener-feedback.mp3&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/audio&gt;&lt;\/div&gt;\" onclick=\"javascript: this.select();\" onfocus=\"javascript: this.select();\" style=\"width: 70%;\" readOnly><\/p>\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The on-prem cloud has its moment<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019ve talked about it in episode 3. There is an interest in figuring out how to avoid huge cloud bills and if there\u2019s a way to run workloads that make sense locally. There are some clear low-hanging fruits, like storage that causes a lot of charges for outbound traffic, or AI workloads that are CPU intensive and require expensive instances. So when I came across this article on <a href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/2023\/02\/20\/are-companies-shifting-away-from-public-clouds\">\u201cAre companies shifting away from public clouds?\u201d<\/a> I was intrigued. What do the good folks at StackOverflow (<strong><em>by the way<\/em><\/strong>, they have an excellent podcast, you should listen to it if you don\u2019t already do, go find it in the show notes or head over to <a href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/podcast\/\">https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/podcast\/<\/a> ) think about this?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Cloud Native Security&nbsp;<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I work in the security space at IBM and mostly deal with what I call \u201ctraditional security\u201d on the infrastructure level. But Kubernetes security is an entirely different beast altogether. Why is it so different? It\u2019s because the whole stack needs to be looked at, not just the application layer 7. Yes, mostly K8 communicates via APIs on layer 7 and pretty much all the magic happens there, but there\u2019s still the network layer, there\u2019s still the unsolved question of trustworthy build pipelines using public images and many more issues. So where do you even start?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How long does it take to spin up a K8 cluster on a cloud provider from scratch?<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh5.googleusercontent.com\/_8eyTRmDcQkSOTzYvlYOhp3K2qDL53G2BRAn9mfZzAG73KL1lyT2_6AZ4wEZcXM1b2EgQPzjqEJ-zNd1oHGfQnJk-kKeGOMImFhO67-PsGSw4FUvvAz2au-w7N0NwqF3JWzaxnz0nkJX-i5VKDGyXg0\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So let me be honest here and start out by saying creating a K8 cluster in our lab will take far, far longer than even the slowest cloud provider takes to create a cluster. But how quickly can AWS, Azure or Google actually get a K8 cluster ready for you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Listener feedback from the podcast and Youtube<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I absolutely love listener feedback and it\u2019s really nice to hear from you! Thank you to Hanna in Oregon who writes \u201cI was going through apple podcasts yesterday looking for cloud and openshift content when I discovered the open cloud infrastructure podcast which has valuable content.&nbsp; I&#8217;m listening to an episode about running databases on containers. Congrats!\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you Hanna!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br>And here\u2019s a question from my YouTube channel: \u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Oscar Llerena&nbsp; \u2022 19 hours ago<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thanks a lot for your video. I would like to ask you for some directions. I was inspired by your setup to start buying a small scale similar one to implement my home lab &#8230; but a friend working on devops striked me with a question of why not do this on cloud &#8230; I replied that on Cloud I will have to pay monthly tens of dollars for the computing. RAM, and diskspace that I am targeting for my projects .. and he replied that I will have to continuously invest on hardware too, as my computational needs will increment in the future &#8230;. what do you think. Thanks in advance.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here\u2019s what I think, Oscar. Personal labs aren\u2019t used for benchmarking or for performance testing. At least that\u2019s not what I do in my lab. The majority of lab work consists of figuring stuff out, like networking, storage setup and general compute tasks, like installing operating systems, virtualization or application stacks. None of that is really time sensitive. And in fact my hardware is really old already. The G7\u2019s came out in 2010 and my machines are roughly 10 years old. My G8s are a little younger, but essentially obsolete machines for production. But they still work, they still run just fine, they still provide me with a super-cheap opportunity to play and get stuff working. I don\u2019t upgrade them because there\u2019s no more need to do that. I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll need to continuously upgrade your lab. A one-time buy should last you many years. Thanks for your question, keep them coming!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bvp.com\/atlas\/state-of-the-cloud-2022\">Bessemer State of the Cloud 2022 report<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/symbiosis.host\/blog\/comparing-cluster-creation-times\">https:\/\/symbiosis.host\/blog\/comparing-cluster-creation-times<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kubernetespodcast.com\/subscribe\/\">https:\/\/kubernetespodcast.com\/subscribe\/<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/\">Google Cloud Podcast license<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/kubernetes-podcast-from-google\/id1370049232?i=1000602615417\">https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/kubernetes-podcast-from-google\/id1370049232?i=1000602615417<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/podcast\/\">https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/podcast\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The on-prem cloud has its moment I\u2019ve talked about it in episode 3. There is an interest in figuring out how to avoid huge cloud bills and if there\u2019s a way to run workloads that make sense locally. There are some clear low-hanging fruits, like storage that causes a lot of charges for outbound traffic, or AI workloads that are CPU intensive and require expensive instances. So when I came across this article on \u201cAre companies shifting away from public clouds?\u201d I was intrigued. What do the good folks at StackOverflow (by the way, they have an excellent podcast, you should listen to it if you don\u2019t already do, go find it in the show notes or head over to https:\/\/stackoverflow.blog\/podcast\/ ) think about this?&nbsp; Cloud Native Security&nbsp; I work in the security space at IBM and mostly deal with what I call \u201ctraditional security\u201d on the infrastructure level. But&#8230;<\/p>\n<div class=\"more-link-wrapper\"><a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/siekmann.cloud\/?p=189\">Continue Reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Episode 5 &#8211; The on-prem cloud has its moment, Cloud Native Security, How long does it take to spin up a K8 cluster on a cloud provider from scratch? 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